A: Uh-huh.
Q: And you decided to go to Alice Fay’s party.
A: I didn’t, uh-uh.
Q: Huh?
A: I didn’t.
Q: You didn’t? Well, what did you do?
A: I had a shake. Billy decided to crash.
Q: I see. And then what?
A: I don’t know.
Q: Didn’t you go to the party?
A: Yes.
Q: This was at Alice Fay’s, right?
A: Uh-huh.
Q: There was a fight at the party, wasn’t there?
A: Yes.
Q: Who fought?
A: Billy and Bobby and Tommy Cooper and some boys I didn’t know.
Q: And Billy pulled a knife?
A: Yes.
Q: You remember that?
A: Yes.
Q: You can see that clearly on the screen?
A: I can see it.
Q: How is Billy when he leaves the party?
A: Angry.
Q: At Tommy Cooper?
A: At rich kids.
Q: Why rich kids?
A: He yelled at me.
Q: Who? Billy?
A: Uh-huh. It scared me.
Q: What did he say?
A: It was how he hated rich kids and they didn’t have to work like him.
Q: He said that after you left the party?
A: Uh-huh.
Q: Good. You are really starting to remember. I am very proud of you. Now, where did you go from the party?
A: Uh, to the store.
Q: Where?
A: It’s open at night. Billy swiped some wine.
Q: How much?
A: A couple of bottles. And there was some in the car already.
Q: What kind of wine?
A: Cheap stuff. It made me sick later. It was so sweet.
Q: Where did you drink the wine?
A: On some side street, I think. Maybe it was near a park or a schoolyard.
Q: A park or a schoolyard?
A: Well, there weren’t houses around, you know. That’s why we went there, so no one would see us.
Q: Where do you go after you drink the wine?
A: It’s fuzzy. Home?
Q: Do you…? Look at the screen, Esther. Do you see a drag race where someone forced your car to spin around?
A: Gee, there were a lot of drag races.
Q: In this one, you were riding with Billy and Bobby and somebody came along and caused your car to spin around. You are on Monroe Boulevard.
A: Uh-huh.
Q: Do you recall that?
A: Billy got mad.
Q: Why did Billy get mad?
A: Huh?
Q: Why is Billy mad?
A: I don’t know.
Q: What does Billy do now that he is mad?
A: He followed the car.
Q: This is Richie’s car?
A: I didn’t say that.
Q: Do you remember?
A: No.
Q: But you know what Richie’s car looks like? You can see it on the screen?
A: Yes.
Q: Could the car that forced you off of the road have been Richie’s?
A: I’m not sure.
Q: Is it possible?
A: It’s possible.
Q: Okay, so Billy followed the car. Where does he go?
A: I guess I went home.
Q: You think you went home?
A: Uh-huh.
Q: In Billy’s car?
A: I don’t remember.
Q: All right. You think a little deeper. You will remember. You are there. You were there. You can remember. You are in Billy’s car. You are on Monroe. You start driving. Do you go into the park?
A: Maybe.
Q: Okay. And you are driving up a hill. Do you go past a place with a fireplace and picnic benches?
A: Uh-huh.
Q: Did the other car go past there?
A: I don’t know.
Q: But you were following them?
A: Uh-huh.
Q: Who else is with you in the car?
A: Bobby.
Q: Anyone else?
A: Maybe Roger.
Q: Roger Hessey?
A: Uh-huh.
Q: Didn’t you tell us he left shortly after you arrived at Alice Fay’s?
A: I guess so.
Q: So he couldn’t have been in the car. Look on the screen. Let your mind review that evening. Picture inside Billy’s car. Do you see it?
A: Yes.
Q: Okay. Is Roger there-in the park?
A: No.
Q: Okay. Now, you and Billy and Bobby are in Billy’s car and you are following the other car and you go past the place in the park with the fireplace and the picnic benches. Now what happens? Tell me what happens, Esther. You are past the place with the fireplace. Tell me what happens. Billy is mad. You are following that car. It is at night. What happens?
A: I saw it.
Q: You saw it?
A: I saw the car.
Q: Okay. What happens after you see it?
A: Didn’t I tell you something?
Q: Yes, you have. You have been telling me.
A: I am waking up.
Q: Yes, I know you are.
A: I thought I was sleeping.
Q: You were sleeping a bit. Now you told me you were following the car and you went past this place in Lookout Park with a fireplace and benches and you saw the car.
A: Did I say that?
Q: Yes, you did, Esther. This car ran you off the road and Billy got mad. He was mad before, after the fight.
A: Did I say that?
Q: Yes, Esther. I can play the tape back if you wish.
A: I think I need some more of that stuff.
Q: You think you need more sodium amytal?
A: Yeah. Didn’t I tell you something when I had it?
Q: Yes. You told me a lot of interesting things. But we didn’t get far enough.
A: Okay. Well, give me some more.
Q: That’s it. It is pleasant. Now you can just go ahead. We can protect you here. Nothing can happen to you, if you tell what happened. The truth.
A: Tell me what I said.
Q: You said that this car forced you off the road and Billy chased it into the park. Then you saw the car after a place with a fireplace and benches in the park.
A: Gee, I said that? Doctor, I know I am drowsy, but could you give me some more?
Q: I just did.
A: Oh. I’m sorry. I don’t remember what I was talking about.
Q: You were with Billy and Bobby in the car.
A: I’m supposed to say Billy?
Q: You are supposed to say Billy.
A: Uh-huh.
Q: Well, you are supposed to say what actually happens.
A: Right.
Q: Were Billy and Bobby there?
A: Uh-huh. I’m telling you the truth.
Q: Billy and Bobby were with you?
A: (Coughing)
Q: Why don’t you go ahead and clear your throat.
A: Could I have some water?
Q: Here. Does my holding the microphone bother you?
A: No.
Q: You weren’t telling us a story, were you, when you told us that Bobby and Billy were with you?
A: Uh-uh. Is that a lie detector?
Q: What?
A: A lie detector?
Q: No, it’s not a lie detector.
A: When you asked who was in the car and I said Billy and Bobby, were you checking me with a lie detector?
Q: No. This is a microphone with a tape recorder.
A: Roger wasn’t with us. I only said he was because I wasn’t sure at first.
Q: Okay. Esther, who was driving? When you were in the park, was it Billy or Bobby?
A: Uh.
Q: Can you see who is driving?
A: I am trying to think of what you’ve told me.
Q: I am interested in what you can remember, Esther. Remember, now, you want to remember this so you can get it off your mind.
A: Uh-huh. I am really trying. I just don’t want to sound like a liar.
Q: Are you saying that you think you told me something before and you aren’t sure it is the truth?
A: No, it’s just that you said I told you something, but I can’t remember it and I don’t want you to think I am lying.
Q: Let me worry about that and you worry about what you can remember. Is that all right?
A: I am trying to remember.
Q: Okay, can you remember telling us that you went to a grocery store after the party?
A: Uh-huh.
Q: Okay. Now tell me where you went from the grocery store again.
A: We drank the wine.
Q: Right. Now, where did you go from there?
A: I can’t remember.
Q: You were able to tell me before. Can’t you remember what you said before?
A: I remember we went home.
Q: Do you recall telling me about Monroe Boulevard and Lookout Park?