But in one sweep of the radarscope, it would move from off the coast of New England to off the coast of Florida, and then one more sweep and the UFO would be off the coast of Norfolk. Eventually, it went out over the Azores. At one point they did get a pilot close enough to it to photograph it. And McDowell saw the photograph of this very large, long, cylindrical-shaped craft. Over the Azores, it turned about 60 degrees and went straight out into space, instantly.
In the early 1980s, Admiral TTane, was apparently not in the loop on the UFO matter, because McDowell says, "The old man was really shaken." He didn't know what this thing was! They were on the hotline to the Soviet Union, trying to find out if it was a missile or something of theirs. And the Soviets said, "It's not ours." It was nothing European. It was not American.
Later, spooks in suits came in and threatened everyone who had been part of this encounter. And the threats were serious.
One of the reasons I brief many mainstream military commanders about this issue is that those who do not know about the subject could stumble into a similar encounter like this and not know how to respond. Operational readiness is being undermined by secrecy, by this parallel rogue group who did know, but who wouldn't tell people. Remember: Admiral Trane ordered a military encounter and downing of an ET craft because, at that time, he did not know what it was! This is extremely dangerous and ill-advised.
After Adm. Trane left the military, he went through the revolving door of the military industrial complex and to the crown jewel of the secret shadow government: Science Applications International Corporation, SAIC.
Our military advisor had the opportunity a few years ago to meet with Admiral Trane, and to bring up this issue. Admiral Trane listened but became very silent and said, "I am profoundly disinterested in dis- cussing this matter". He then picked up literally the last word of what was being discussed prior to the UFO subject being brought up and continued on, seamlessly.
These people are trained to do this. I have a very dear friend who introduce me to Mrs. Boutros-Ghali, the wife of the Secretary General of the U.N., and a number of other people. She has been a long-time supporter and member of CSETI and the Disclosure Project. She also has been friends for years with a very senior Senator. I tipped her off that I was pretty certain he was one of the key operatives in this secret rogue group. So, she brought this matter up to him. And he did the fol- lowing: He listened, looking at her with these intense, eaglelike eyes. When she finished speaking, he brought up the last word of what was said prior to her mentioning UFOs and seamlessly continued the conversation. He just snipped the UFO part of it out, as if it was never dis- cussed. She said it was really amazing.
I, too, have seen this happen with people. This is one way I've been able to identify the really well-trained, senior people in the shadow government group. A former US President and two former Secretaries of Defense are very deeply involved.
In the mid-'90s, I was invited by someone who knew Senator Barry Goldwater to discuss this at his home. Many of you may remember he was the senator from Arizona who ran for President in the 1964 election and lost. And he was also a general in the Air Force Reserves.
I went to Sen. Goldwater's home near Scottsdale, AZ, which was up on a hill overlooking the city. The senator was in his 80s, but quite sharp. He was very interested in what we were doing. We had sent all of our briefing materials to him and he was very grateful.
He told me this story: Back in the '60s he was very close friends with General Curtis Lemay —you know, "Bomb them back to the Stone Age Lemay".
Senator Goldwater, being in the Air Force and a pilot, had heard UFO reports from very credible people that he had known. He had also heard that some of the material retrieved from a 'crashed' UFO in New Mexico had ended up at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
Even though Senator Goldwater was a very senior senator, he had never received any information on this subject through channels. So, he went to Gen. Curtis Lemay and asked the General if he would arrange to get him into the "blue room" at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base within the Foreign Technology Division to see the UFO material. Now, he and Gen. Lemay had always been very amicable, but Curtis Lamay turned to him and said, "God damn it, Barry. I can't even get into that area, and if you ever ask me about this again, I will personally see that you are courtmartialed out of the Air Force!"
This, to a U.S. Senator, U.S. Presidential contender and someone who was in the Air Force Reserves, as a general! I'm sitting in the living room with Senator Goldwater, and I asked, "My God, was he serious?" He said, "He was serious as a heart attack. And I never brought it up again!"
This story gives you an idea of the fear and the extreme secrecy sur- rounding this subject, even to someone of the stature of Barry Goldwater, founder of the conservative wing of the Republican Party. He was arch-conservative, pro-military, red, white, and blue, dyed through and through. And here he was being told by a friend and a fel- low general that he would be court-martialed!
Sen. Goldwater said, "I think what you're doing is wonderful." He asked, "What can I do to help you?" And I said, "We're trying to put together a coalition of people who know the details of this at a significant enough level so that we can disclose the UFO matter in a credible way to the public and end the secrecy.
The time has come to end this secrecy..."
Goldwater said, "You've got that right! It was a God damned mistake then, and it's a God damned mistake now that this was ever kept secret!" So, we started talking about who was involved in this secret, shadowy group. As I went through a list of names of the people involved, I finally asked, "Do you know Admiral YN.?" "Oh, sure, He and I have been friends for years." I said, "Well, hell, he's like MJ-12 Number 3."
Goldwater was shocked, "He is?"
I said, "Oh, yes." Along with people like Edward Teller and folks like that. Edward Teller had key involvement with these projects.
He asked, "Well, what can I do?" I asked, "Would you mind contact- ing the Admiral for me and asking him if he would meet with me, with the goal of discussing this matter and exploring how we could cooperate to get this information out to the public in a way that would be effective and safe?" He said "Well, I'll certainly try." So, he did.
A few weeks later, I heard back from Senator Goldwater. He said, "Oh, my God! I can't ever bring this up to the Admiral again!"
I was told in so many words that Admiral YN. had busted Goldwater over this, and he was not going to discuss this matter with anyone. This Admiral held several very high government positions and, from one of those positions, went on to be one of the chief people at Science Applications International Corporation, SAIC. Get the picture?
Admiral YN. is certainly a key person -- and has been for decades.
I later spoke with Joanne Goldwater, one of Senator Goldwater's daughters, who heads up Goldwater Foods of Arizona. She said, "You know, Daddy really can't help you get to these people anymore . what- ever it was that the Admiral said to him put the fear of God in him." I said, "That's fine. This is a voluntary association and everyone has his limits. I don't ask anybody to do anything that they're not comfortable doing, and I appreciate your dad going as far as he did."
Around that same time, I learned that Vice President Humphrey had gone secretly to Kirkland AFB and Sandia Labs, to look into the secret UFO related technology projects there. He had learned that there were covert projects working on the extraterrestrial materials. A witness who was at Sandia Labs at the time told me personally that he had worked with the UFO projects there and with the extraterrestrial reverse engineering program, specifically the electronics.