SUFF: I don’t remember anything else. Honest.
KEERS: You’re lying. You’re trying to tell the truth. You really are. Now all you gotta do is tell it, Bill. Okay? Because I’m not gonna let you lie to me. What did the girl look like that was laying there? Describe her to us.
SUFF: She was, she was a Mexican, dark haired, and she was naked.
KEERS: She was naked?
SUFF: Ahm.
KEERS: Anything else unusual about her?
SUFF: She was missing a breast.
KEERS: Which breast?
SUFF: Uuh I was thinkin’ the left one. I don’t, she was missing one of her breasts.
KEERS: Okay. Consider yourself standing over the body, which one of her breasts was missing? Picture yourself, sleeping, face down beside the body. Which one of her breasts was missing?
SUFF: I think it was at her head, and it was her right breast.
KEERS: It was her right breast.
SUFF: I think so.
(Throat clearing)
SUFF: That looks a little bit like her.
KEERS: That looks like her?
SUFF: Ahm.
KEERS: What looks like her in the picture?
SUFF: The facial features.
KEERS: Facial features.
SUFF: Aha.
KEERS: Okay, Bill. Something else happened. It happened maybe in your van. Let me think. Now. We’re talking about the truth, okay now? And you, you know as well as I do that you wanna tell us the truth.
SUFF: Yes.
KEERS: And you’re tired of these lies that you’ve been telling us.
SUFF: Yes, but I did tell the truth.
KEERS: Fine. Okay, what do you need me to help you do, Bill?
SUFF: I don’t remember.
KEERS: Well,
SUFF: Okay.
KEERS: close your eyes, close your eyes.
SUFF: Okay.
KEERS: Okay. Where are you, Bill?
SUFF: I’m standing over her body.
KEERS: No. No. Keep your eyes closed. You’re driving in your van.
SUFF: Yes.
KEERS: Okay? Where you driving at?
SUFF: On Victoria.
KEERS: Before you got to Victoria you were driving somewhere else, weren’t you, Bill? Weren’t you, Bill?
SUFF: Yes.
KEERS: Where were you driving at Bill?
SUFF: Over by Kaiser Hospital.
KEERS: Okay. And before that Bill, you were driving somewhere else, weren’t you, Bill?
SUFF: On the freeway.
KEERS: And before that?
SUFF: Home Club on the freeway to La Sierra at Kaiser.
KEERS: Okay. Close your eyes. Okay, you’re gonna tell the truth now. You want to tell the truth. You told me that, but you’re telling me you need me to help you.
SUFF: Yeah.
(Throat clearing)
KEERS: Maybe if you close your eyes you’ll remember where you were. Do you remember where you saw that girl?
SUFF: Yes.
KEERS: Where is that?
SUFF: Up on University.
KEERS: Do, do you see yourself driving on University Avenue?
SUFF: Not that day I don’t.
KEERS: Did you see yourself driving on 14th Street?
SUFF: Not that day I didn’t.
KEERS: Where do you see this girl at? She’s out on the street. Where do you see her up on the street? Close your eyes. She’s walking or standing somewhere. Where do you see her?
SUFF: First time I saw
KEERS: Think about it,
SUFF: her was in the
KEERS: think about it,
SUFF: orange groves.
KEERS: no. Think about it. Think about it.
SUFF: I am thinking about it.
KEERS: Okay. Remember. All you have to do is remember. That’s how I’m helping you at this point, you to remember. Because I will tell you when you have told the truth. You know what the truth is and that’s all we’re here to do is to get the truth. Where do you see her?
SUFF: In the orange grove.
KEERS: What, what is she doing in the orange grove?
SUFF: She’s lying on the ground.
KEERS: No, she’s not.
SUFF: Yes, she is. She’s lying on the ground.
KEERS: Okay. We’ll go over there first. She’s lying on the ground. What happened? What are you doing? Think about it. What are you doing, Bill?
SUFF: I walked up to her, picked up her clothing. I walked around the head of her and I saw the knife then and I pulled it out of her chest.
KEERS: Okay. And what did you do then?
SUFF: I folded the clothing and I left.
KEERS: Beautiful. Now before the knife got in her chest.
SUFF: I didn’t stab her.
KEERS: The knife was in your hand.
SUFF: No.
KEERS: See
SUFF: No.
KEERS: you you
SUFF: No.
KEERS: Listen to me. You tell me that you want to tell the truth.
SUFF: I’m telling the truth now.
KEERS: No you’re not.
SUFF: Honest I am.
KEERS: Listen to me, okay? You’ve given us a lot of what we knew.
SUFF: Okay.
KEERS: We’ve got a lot more but you give it to us. I’m not gonna give it to you. Listen to me.
SUFF: I gave you
KEERS: One hint.
SUFF: Because I did not know anything else.
KEERS: Yes, you do, Bill.
SUFF: No I don’t.
KEERS: Yes, you do. Yes, you do. Uh we are not going to set here and let you tell a lie. You told me you want to tell the truth.
SUFF: Yes, I do.
KEERS: You said to me, “Help me tell the truth”.
SUFF: I did that.
KEERS: Haven’t you?
SUFF: Yes.
KEERS: I am helping you to tell the truth.
SUFF: The truth is I found her body.
KEERS: You did.
SUFF: Yes. But I did not put her there.
KEERS: Okay.
SUFF: No.
KEERS: How about the ride, when you gave her a ride?
SUFF: I didn’t give her a ride.
KEERS: Bill, we’re talking about the truth.
SUFF: I did not
KEERS: Yes.
SUFF: give her
KEERS: You did.
SUFF: No.
KEERS: Yes, you did.