Burridge: Doesn’t it come down to he said, she said?
Hess: You suspect that she was lying in her private journals? Wouldn’t that be unusual?
Burridge: I’ve gotten used to unusual in this business. And if she was as clever as you say, inventing writers for highbrow magazines, why not believe that she left behind, well, a novel of sorts. Rune said she was desperate to be noticed, that she was bitter and angry and would do absolutely anything to get attention. He also said that she lived in a fantasy world of her own making a good part of the time, so maybe she made things up without even knowing it. Felix once said to me that his wife was lost in her own imagination.
Hess: That could mean many things. There are four other pieces in dispute that were sold as Runes, but which may be Burdens. In a journal entry, she wrote that four works were missing from her studio. It’s likely they were made around the time she knew and met regularly with Rune. Although she did not describe them in detail, they seem to have been reminiscent of Beneath, four small windows that look onto various objects and scenes.
Burridge: There are twelve windows altogether, part of a series. I sold them all. Twelve, not four, and none of them was signed by Burden. Didn’t she sign her work?
Hess: Some pieces, but not all, it seems. The series includes twelve windows, four of which may have been stolen from Burden’s studio and eight more that may be works by Rune imitating Burden.
Burridge: You know there are hours and hours of film of Rune working on Beneath with assistants in his studio. Harriet appears, but she isn’t giving instructions. Let me put it this way: Why would he need her? Why would he steal from her? It makes no sense. She sent him deranged hate mail, left screeching messages on his voice mail. There’s a story that she attacked him, you know, physically. The woman was not all there. She howls about Felix on those tapes. She accused Rune of having an affair with her husband. That’s motive for revenge, don’t you think?
Hess: No one seems to know what the nature of that relationship was. My guess is that Rune may have used his connection to Felix Lord against Burden, but it was secondary. If he stole those works from her, he did it once he had realized that Beneath was his greatest success, and the article in The Open Eye, if taken seriously, would have upset that triumph. This is a man who died in front of a camera in his studio, after all. I think it might be somewhat difficult to make a case for him as a paragon of mental stability.
Burridge: I think he thought he’d live through it. That was the whole point — a twist on Houdini. He wanted it on camera. That was going to be the piece: his resurrection.
Hess: Oswald Case believes it was a spectacular suicide.
Burridge: Case’s book is heavy on speculation and gossip. I’m not complaining. It helped cement Rune’s reputation and turn him into a hero or antihero, either one is good for the work. But my feeling is that risking death was part of it for him. But Rune was not suicidal. He wanted to be a spectacle. Of course, I had no idea beforehand that he planned to insert himself into the architectural contraption he had built, that his body was part of the artwork. The autopsy showed he took Klonopin. It’s very hard to kill yourself with Klonopin, apparently. He died of heart failure, a condition he most likely didn’t know about. It was really rough on Rebecca. She found him, poor kid.
Hess: Yes, it’s a film now, but the film doesn’t help with motive, does it? He’s the actor but there’s no narration. And yet, as horrible as it is, Houdini Smash borrows from Beneath. The geometries of the maze have been broken. The walls are tipped at skewed angles and appear to be falling over. In fact,the architecture resembles a number of works by Burden that were never shown, but which have now been photographed and catalogued.
Burridge: Are you telling me that she made Houdini, too?
Hess: No. I don’t believe she had anything to do with it. The purpose of this interview is simply to get another perspective on the Burden-Rune relationship. More information may surface in time, but it may not. My interest is not purely in determining the facts — who did what when. If that were possible, it still wouldn’t resolve the larger question. Even if Rune never had a single idea, drew a line of the plans, or lifted a finger in the construction of Beneath, I believe Burden would have said it could not have existed without him, that it was in some important way created between her and him. That is probably also true of Houdini, except that he made it.
Burridge: Are you saying that he was part of Beneath or not part of it? It’s one way or the other.
Hess: I think not. Even if Rune had nothing to do with their creation, extricating him from Beneath and those twelve windows connected to it is still impossible. Burden knew that Rune was embedded in the project, necessary to how it would be understood. Rune, in turn, was influenced by his role as her mask. Masks are all over Beneath, after all. It changed his work forever and, whatever his intention was for Houdini, it couldn’t have existed without Burden.
Burridge: You’re saying the influence went both ways, is that it?
Hess: Yes, and I think she was enormously ambitious. As Brickman writes, she wanted to include the “proliferations” as part of a larger work. For her, Rune was an essential character in the theater she called Maskings, probably the most important one, because the two of them seemed to have been involved in some kind of one-upmanship and competition that played itself out in numerous ways. His death came as a blow to her, and from her writings it’s clear she felt implicated in some way.
Burridge: I thought you were interviewing me.
Hess: You’re right. I’ve been carried away. Is there anything else you would like to say before you run?
Burridge: Yes. Unlike you, I actually knew Harriet Lord, I mean Burden. She was a quiet, elegant lady with some talent, I admit, and a shrewd collector, but it strikes me as far-fetched that she was some virago mastermind who cooked up these elaborate plots or was playing some game of wits with Rune.
Hess: But you said earlier that you thought she might have fictionalized her diaries.
Burridge: Well, who knows? It’s a possibility. I believe she had some input in Rune’s work. She did some drawings. That’s proven, but he called her a muse in an interview, you know. The piece by Eldridge was mostly hers. He came right out and admitted it. Tish, well, maybe. But Rune? No, I don’t believe it. She played some small part in it, that’s for sure, but isn’t it just possible that she used his reputation to lift herself up into the limelight? I mean, let’s face it, as an artist, she was nobody. As I said before, her journals might be her own wishful version of events.
Hess: I think she did want Larsen as a vehicle “to lift her up,” as you say, but he reneged on their agreement. There are other people who were close to Burden who have stories to tell. Her journals are not the sole source of information. What was your term, virago mastermind?
Burridge: That’s what you’re proposing, isn’t it?
Hess: It may depend on your definition of virago, but perhaps it is. Thank you so much for your time.
Burridge: Thank you, and good luck with the book.
A Dispatch from Elsewhere Ethan Lord