"Not to my mind."
"Oh, come on."
"Don't forget, Kath, I'm on the right."
"So you keep telling me. How did I ever bear you?"
"Were you on the left?"
"Of course," she says. "But couldn't you have done better than Berlusconi?"
"Couldn't you have done better than the paper?"
"What does that mean?"
"Nothing. But please, if you don't mind, try not to belittle me. You're too good at it."
"I don't belittle you." She pauses. "What do you mean I'm good at it? Is that how you remember me?"
"Not for the most part."
"Well, if I used to I'm sorry."
"We do get great gift baskets at Christmas," he says, changing topics. "Berlusconi is unmatched in that area: torrone, champagne, foie gras."
Yes, this is what she's here for: the inside line on life under Berlusconi, Europe 's court jester. At the least, Dario can give her an amusing tale to recount at parties. He might even feed her a story. No one can resist a Berlusconi-is-ludicrous piece. But hang on, hang on-she isn't quite finished talking. "I hope I wasn't awful to you."
"Don't be crazy."
"I feel as if maybe I was."
"You know how deeply I loved you."
She takes an olive, just holds it. "That's fairly blunt."
He says, "You were goodness." It sounds like a language mistake, but his English is usually flawless.
"Now I really feel like a shit." She eats the olive.
"I didn't say you weren't a shit."
She laughs. "Beware-I'm probably more of one now than I used to be."
"I imagine you are. But that's normal, isn't it? One becomes more of a shit as one gets older. I, for example-and you'll find this shocking-had a minor indiscretion involving another woman."
"Oh, really?"
"And I always hated infidelity."
"I know. I remember."
"But I never felt guilty about it. Never told my wife. Just felt irritated-irritated with Ruby. She was the person, the woman."
"You had an affair with Ruby Zaga?" Kathleen says, grimacing. "Our copydesk nun?"
"I never slept with her. I kissed her."
"Does that count as an affair?"
"I don't know. Anyway, it was ridiculous. It was that time we went for a drink. A boring night, in all honesty. We disagreed about something minor-can't remember what. She got all touchy. I paid, went outside, waited for her. She came out, crying. I tried to calm her down and-I don't know why-I found myself kissing her. We did that for a while in this alley in Trastevere, near her place. I remember it stank of garbage." He shifts with embarrassment. "Anyway, nothing happened after that. We had no further contact. Until a few weeks later, when she started calling me. As I told you, she never talks, never says anything. But it's starting to cause problems. She doesn't get the hint."
"Well, well, well," Kathleen says.
"Mm," he says.
"I wouldn't have guessed that one." She utters a dry laugh. "Ruby Zaga!"
"I'm mortified to confess this. But you're the only person I know who knows her."
"What can I suggest? Just change your cellphone number."
"I can't. I gave her my work cell, which is what every journalist has. If I change that, I'm suddenly out of contact. My whole job is being in contact."
"I've barely spoken ten words to Ruby since I moved back to Rome. I could try to broach it with her, but it'd be deeply weird," she says. "I'm asking myself now whether you did this sort of thing when we were together."
"Of course not. We didn't lie to each other back then."
"I lied to you-I never told you I'd applied for the job in Washington. You didn't know I was going to leave."
"True, true."
"Sorry," she says.
"Forget it. Far too much time gone by."
They sit eating olives.
She gets a funny look. "Listen," she says, "would you be willing to do something unusual?"
"I don't know. What?"
"Well," she says, "would you be willing to tell the entire truth about me, about what you thought of me? From the old days-what you thought of me then. I'll do the same for you."
"What for?"
"To hear all the bits that you can't say to a person when you're still with them. Aren't you curious?"
"I'd be afraid to hear."
"I'd like to. I'm curious," she says. "I'd like to understand myself better. Even improve myself, heaven forbid. And I trust you. Your opinion. You're smart."
"You and intelligence!"
"What about me and intelligence?"
"You're very preoccupied with it, with ranking brains. Yours, in terms of everyone else's."
"That's not true."
"We can't do an honesty exchange if you get defensive."
"If I promise not to, will you?"
"It's silly, don't you think? Dissecting ourselves like that? Are we good in bed, are we bad-that sort of underbelly stuff. Sleazy, no?"
"This is why you got out of journalism while I never did: I can't tell the difference between interesting and sleazy. Oh, come on! It'll be fun. Be heartless. Say anything."
He shifts in his seat, then nods. "All right. If you want."
She smacks her thighs with delight. "I've always wanted an opportunity like this. Let me get another drink as I steel myself for your ruthless critique." As she awaits a second glass of Sauvignon, she telephones Menzies to say that she'll be out of contact for fifteen minutes. She switches off her BlackBerry.
"A quarter of an hour?" Dario says. "That's all the time we need to rip each other apart?"
"This isn't ripping apart. Just honest commentary. That's what I want. And be heartless: I have a hideous ass or I'm a bad lay or whatever. Really."
"You want something sexual, then?"
"Why, is there something sexual?"
"Not necessarily."
"There is."
"Let me think of something." He pauses. "It's not a big deal, really. Just I guess you were kind of aggressive."
"How? Sexually?"
"Yes. I was slightly intimidated by you."
"For six years you were intimidated by me?"
"Pathetic, I know. It's hard to explain. It was sort of like, sort of like being screwed rather than doing the-"
"Rather than doing the screwing," she says uncomfortably. "Go on."
"Although, at the same time, you never seemed to have much of a sex drive. Making love with you felt like something else. Like, I don't know, an act of a different sort."
"It didn't seem to revolt you so much back then."
"See, you're getting defensive."
"I'm not."
"Do we continue this, Kath? It's turning kind of unpleasant."
"No, no. I'm interested."
"I'm just someone who-"
"Who wanted a more submissive woman."
"Maybe less aggressive. Is that bad?"
"You should have gone for Ruby from the start."
"I know you're kidding, but that's probably what attracted me to her."
"You're attracted to women who sob when you buy them a drink?"
He doesn't respond.
She says, "Sorry. It's funny, though-you hated that I made you submissive. And I hated that you were so passive, that I was always the one initiating it. You know? But God, you make it sound like I was forcing myself on you, slobbering all over."
"There was a little slobbering," he jokes.
She laughs.
"There," she says, exhaling. "That wasn't so hard. Any other thoughts about me?"
"Not really," he says, hesitating. "Well, one tiny thing-not sexual. Just that I always thought you were kind of an instrumentalist with people. Can I say that in English? I mean, you were always looking to gain something. I remember watching you meet people-I could see the cogs turning in your mind. Doing calculations."
"You make me sound horrendous. I'm the person who you-" She balks at saying loved. "Who you claim to have liked so much."
"I don't mean this as criticism."
"No, no, it sounds like a huge compliment," she says sarcastically. "But is it possible that your view is colored by how I left?"
"I don't care about that now. I'm happy you went. If you'd stayed, I wouldn't have met my wife, I wouldn't have had Massi. I did love you. But the thing about you back then was that you were completely conditional."